PRAVILA OBISKOVANJA TEMPLJA - Bhakte spoštujemo medsosedske odnose
Ko so Šrila Prabhupada vprašali, kako se lahko prepozna njegove sledilce, je rekel: “ So popolni dame in gospodje”.
Dragi Bhakte,
Prosim sprejmite naše ponižno spoštovanje,
Vsa slava Šrila Prabhupadu!
Prosim sprejmite naše ponižno spoštovanje,
Vsa slava Šrila Prabhupadu!
Ob jutrišnjem festivalu Radhaštamija se na vas obračamo z resno prošnjo oziroma zahtevo.
Ta teden skušamo rezrešiti situacijo s sosedi, ki so zelo resno izrazili nezadovoljstvo nad kulturo vedenja v območju templja.
V četrtek smo imeli z nekaj sosedi tudi sestanek, kjer smo se pogovarjali o potrebnih ukrepih in jim poskušali iti nasproti. Ne glede na to ali se bodo pritožili ali ne, jih moramo slišati, saj jih moramo spoštovati in jim ne povzročati nemira.
Sosedje so potrpežljivi že dolga leta. Najbolj so se pritožili nad:
- napačnim parkiranjem,
- zadrževanjem in glasnim pogovarjanjem v ulici tudi pozno v noč
- in nad otroci, ki se lovijo po ulici in kričijo tudi na našem notranjem dvorišču.
V kolikor se sprejetih ukrepov ne bomo dosledno držali, bomo primorani zaradi dobrih sosedskih odnosov omejiti obiske na festivale in nedeljske programe v templju, kar verjamemo, da si nihče od nas ne želi.
Dragi bhakte, resno vas naprošamo, da se dosledno držite sledečih pravil in v primeru kršenja tudi opozorite in spodbudite k sledenju druge bhakte oz. obiskovalce templja:
PRIMERNO PARKIRANJE - Najbolje je, da parkiramo v Tivoliju, v garažni hiši, na plačljivem parkirišču na makedamu nasproti vhoda v šolo ali okoliških ulicah in to samo na dovoljenih parkirnih mestih. Na Žibertovi ulici pred templjem parkiramo samo na parkiriščih templja, ostale pustimo proste za sosede. Absolutno pa ne parkiramo po pločnikih, na nedovoljenih mestih, saj bomo v tem primeru primorani poklicati redarsko službo, ki bo delila kazni.
PRIMERNO VEDENJE IN IZOGIBANJE HRUPU - Na Žibertovi ulici in pred templjem ne posedamo, se ne družimo, ne govorimo glasno, ne mantramo, ne čakamov avtomobilih s prižganim motorjem, ipd. Do sosedov se vedemo spoštljivo, še posebej če nas opozorijo na glasnost, napaćno parkiranje ipd. Odslej bodo ob nedeljskih programih in festivalih za primerno vedenje skrbeli redarji. Bhaktam, ki ne bodo upoštevali pravil in navodil redarjev, bomo primorani omejiti vstop v tempelj, do česar sicer upamo, da ne bo prišlo.
Omeniti velja še, da moramo tudi na dvorišču in v šotoru ohranjati sobno jakost pogovora ter da med kirtani, ne odpiramo tempeljskih oken in vrat za zračenje, saj imamo prezračevalno napravo. Kdor med kirtanom morda potrebuje več svežega zraka, naj gre za par minut ven iz templja.
SKRB ZA OTROKE - Starši naj poskrbimo za svoje otroke, ki ne smejo prosto tekati in kričati na dvorišču in na Žibertovi ulici. Starši naj, kolikor je možno, imamo otroke pri sebi, jih vključimo v duhovni program ter se medsebojno organiziramo in otroke zaposlimo v učilnici, na igrišču bližnje šole ali v Tivoliju. V nasprotnem primeru naj do nadaljnjega, dokler ne najdemo in organiziramo primernih rešitev, otroci brez varstva ostanejo doma.
DRUGI UKREPI - Po potrebi bomo uvedli tudi druge ukrepe, o katerih se še pogovarjamo med seboj in s sosedi.
Vse našteto velja predvsem za obiskovanje festivalov in nedeljskih programov, smiselno pa tudi za obiskovanje jutranjih in večernih programov in obiskovanje templja na sploh.
Zavedajmo se, da bhakte še posebej nismo kontrolorji, lastniki in uživalci tega sveta, ampak ponižni služabniki Gospoda, njegovih bhakt ter vseh ljudi in živih bitij. Nismo tako transcendentalni, da bi lahko kršili družbene norme in zakone, ampak jih moramo kot popolni dame in gospodje praviloma spoštovati.
S svojim delovanjem ne ustvarjajmo nepotrebno vznemirjenje ali celo odbojnost do poti bhakti in naše skupnosti, Šrila Prabhupada in Krišne, saj tako škodimo poslanstvu Gospoda Čejtanje.
Potrudimo se, da se pokažemo kot kulturni posamezniki in izkažemo dolžno spoštovanje našim sosedom in jim na ta način lepo predstavljajmo zavest Krišne.
V pričakovanju vašega razumevanja in sledenja navodilom vas lepo vabimo in vam želimo lep Radhaštami!
Vaši v služenju Šrila Prabhupadu,
GBC predstavnik,
Svet templja NYP,
Svet skupnosti NYP
Prahladananda Svami
Ananta Dasa
Lalita govinda Dasa
Devendra Gopala Dasa
Urukrama Dasa
Sravana Ramanija Devi Dasi
Nataka Čandrika Devi Dasi
Durlabha Gaurahari Dasa
Mahalakšmi Dhama Devi Dasi
Taruni Sakhi Devi Dasi
Ljubljana, 22.9.2023
RULES OF VISITING TEMPLE - Devotees respect neighbourly relations
Dear Devotees,
Please accept our humble obeisances,
All glories to Srila Prabhupada!
On the occasion of the Radhashtami festival, we are addressing you with a serious request.
This week we are trying to resolve a situation with our neighbors who have expressed serious dissatisfaction with the culture of behavior infront of the temple area.
We held a meeting with some of the neighbours on Thursday to discuss the necessary measures. Whether they really plan to place the complaint to the major or not, we need to hear them out, because we need to respect them and not cause them more disturbance.
The neighbours have been patient for many years. They have complained the most about:
We must be aware that our temple is a public building in the middle of a residential area where people live, rest and deserve to have peace and normal living conditions. We must also understand that our spiritual path is culturally foreign and difficult to understand for many people in this environment.
If we don't take actions and stick to them, we may have to limit our visits to festivals and Sunday programmes at the temple for the sake of good neighbourly relations, which we believe none of us wants.
When Srila Prabhupada was asked how his followers could be identified, he said, "They are perfect ladies and gentlemen."
Dear devotees, we earnestly request you to strictly follow the following rules and to encourage other devotees or temple visitors to follow them:
PARKING - It is best to park in Tivoli, in the parking garage, in the paid parking lot on the macedam opposite the school entrance, or in the surrounding streets, and only in permitted parking spaces. On Žibertova Street in front of the temple, park only in the temple parking lots, leaving the others free for the neighbours. We absolutely do not park on the pavements, in unauthorised places, because in this case we will be forced to call the community police, who will hand out fines.
BEHAVIOUR AND SILENCE - We do not sit, socialize, speak loudly, chant, wait in cars with engine on, etc. on Zibertova Street or in front of the Temple. From now on security persons will be in charge of proper behaviour during Sunday programmes and festivals. Devotees who do not follow the rules and instructions will have to be restricted from entering the temple, which we hope will not happen.
It is also worth mentioning that even in the courtyard and in the tent, we must keep the volume of conversation at room volume, and that during kirtans, we do not open the temple windows and doors for ventilation, as we have a ventilation device. Anyone who may need more fresh air during kirtan should go outside the temple for a few minutes.
CHILDREN - Parents should take care of their children who are not allowed to run and scream freely in the courtyard and on Zibertova Street. Parents should, as much as possible, have their children with them, involve them in the spiritual program and organize each other and keep the children busy in the classroom, on the playground of a nearby school or in Tivoli. Otherwise, until we find and organise suitable solutions, the children should remain at home.
OTHER MEASURES - We will introduce other measures if necessary, which we are still discussing among ourselves and with neighbours.
All of the above apply primarily to attendance at festivals and Sunday programmes, but also sensibly to attendance at morning and evening programmes and to temple attendance in general.
Let us remember that as devotees in particular we are not controllers, owners and enjoyers of this world, but humble servants of the Lord, His devotees and all human beings and living entities. We are not so transcendental that we can violate social norms and laws, but as perfect ladies and gentlemen we should, generally, respect them.
Let us not by our actions create unnecessary agitation or even repulsion towards the devotees and our community, Srila Prabhupada and Krishna, and thus harm Lord Chaitanya's mission.
Let us try our best to show ourselves as cultured individuals and show due respect to our neighbors, and in this way offer them nice presentation of Krishna consciousness.
In anticipation of your understanding and following the instructions, we cordially welcome you and wish you a nice Radhashtami!
Yours in the service of Srila Prabhupada
GBC Representative,
NYP Temple Council,
NYP Community Council
Prahladananda Svami
Ananta Dasa
Lalita govinda Dasa
Devendra Gopala Dasa
Urukrama Dasa
Sravana Ramanija Devi Dasi
Nataka Candrika Devi Dasi
Durlabha Gaurahari Dasa
Mahalakshmi Dhama Devi Dasi
Taruni Sakhi Devi Dasi
Ljubljana, 22.9.2023
PRIMERNO PARKIRANJE - Najbolje je, da parkiramo v Tivoliju, v garažni hiši, na plačljivem parkirišču na makedamu nasproti vhoda v šolo ali okoliških ulicah in to samo na dovoljenih parkirnih mestih. Na Žibertovi ulici pred templjem parkiramo samo na parkiriščih templja, ostale pustimo proste za sosede. Absolutno pa ne parkiramo po pločnikih, na nedovoljenih mestih, saj bomo v tem primeru primorani poklicati redarsko službo, ki bo delila kazni.
PRIMERNO VEDENJE IN IZOGIBANJE HRUPU - Na Žibertovi ulici in pred templjem ne posedamo, se ne družimo, ne govorimo glasno, ne mantramo, ne čakamov avtomobilih s prižganim motorjem, ipd. Do sosedov se vedemo spoštljivo, še posebej če nas opozorijo na glasnost, napaćno parkiranje ipd. Odslej bodo ob nedeljskih programih in festivalih za primerno vedenje skrbeli redarji. Bhaktam, ki ne bodo upoštevali pravil in navodil redarjev, bomo primorani omejiti vstop v tempelj, do česar sicer upamo, da ne bo prišlo.
Omeniti velja še, da moramo tudi na dvorišču in v šotoru ohranjati sobno jakost pogovora ter da med kirtani, ne odpiramo tempeljskih oken in vrat za zračenje, saj imamo prezračevalno napravo. Kdor med kirtanom morda potrebuje več svežega zraka, naj gre za par minut ven iz templja.
SKRB ZA OTROKE - Starši naj poskrbimo za svoje otroke, ki ne smejo prosto tekati in kričati na dvorišču in na Žibertovi ulici. Starši naj, kolikor je možno, imamo otroke pri sebi, jih vključimo v duhovni program ter se medsebojno organiziramo in otroke zaposlimo v učilnici, na igrišču bližnje šole ali v Tivoliju. V nasprotnem primeru naj do nadaljnjega, dokler ne najdemo in organiziramo primernih rešitev, otroci brez varstva ostanejo doma.
DRUGI UKREPI - Po potrebi bomo uvedli tudi druge ukrepe, o katerih se še pogovarjamo med seboj in s sosedi.
Vse našteto velja predvsem za obiskovanje festivalov in nedeljskih programov, smiselno pa tudi za obiskovanje jutranjih in večernih programov in obiskovanje templja na sploh.
Zavedajmo se, da bhakte še posebej nismo kontrolorji, lastniki in uživalci tega sveta, ampak ponižni služabniki Gospoda, njegovih bhakt ter vseh ljudi in živih bitij. Nismo tako transcendentalni, da bi lahko kršili družbene norme in zakone, ampak jih moramo kot popolni dame in gospodje praviloma spoštovati.
S svojim delovanjem ne ustvarjajmo nepotrebno vznemirjenje ali celo odbojnost do poti bhakti in naše skupnosti, Šrila Prabhupada in Krišne, saj tako škodimo poslanstvu Gospoda Čejtanje.
Potrudimo se, da se pokažemo kot kulturni posamezniki in izkažemo dolžno spoštovanje našim sosedom in jim na ta način lepo predstavljajmo zavest Krišne.
V pričakovanju vašega razumevanja in sledenja navodilom vas lepo vabimo in vam želimo lep Radhaštami!
Vaši v služenju Šrila Prabhupadu,
GBC predstavnik,
Svet templja NYP,
Svet skupnosti NYP
Prahladananda Svami
Ananta Dasa
Lalita govinda Dasa
Devendra Gopala Dasa
Urukrama Dasa
Sravana Ramanija Devi Dasi
Nataka Čandrika Devi Dasi
Durlabha Gaurahari Dasa
Mahalakšmi Dhama Devi Dasi
Taruni Sakhi Devi Dasi
Ljubljana, 22.9.2023
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RULES OF VISITING TEMPLE - Devotees respect neighbourly relations
Dear Devotees,
Please accept our humble obeisances,
All glories to Srila Prabhupada!
On the occasion of the Radhashtami festival, we are addressing you with a serious request.
This week we are trying to resolve a situation with our neighbors who have expressed serious dissatisfaction with the culture of behavior infront of the temple area.
We held a meeting with some of the neighbours on Thursday to discuss the necessary measures. Whether they really plan to place the complaint to the major or not, we need to hear them out, because we need to respect them and not cause them more disturbance.
The neighbours have been patient for many years. They have complained the most about:
- wrong parking,
- lingering and talking loudly in the street even late into the night
- and children chasing each other in the street and shouting in our inner courtyard.
We must be aware that our temple is a public building in the middle of a residential area where people live, rest and deserve to have peace and normal living conditions. We must also understand that our spiritual path is culturally foreign and difficult to understand for many people in this environment.
If we don't take actions and stick to them, we may have to limit our visits to festivals and Sunday programmes at the temple for the sake of good neighbourly relations, which we believe none of us wants.
When Srila Prabhupada was asked how his followers could be identified, he said, "They are perfect ladies and gentlemen."
Dear devotees, we earnestly request you to strictly follow the following rules and to encourage other devotees or temple visitors to follow them:
PARKING - It is best to park in Tivoli, in the parking garage, in the paid parking lot on the macedam opposite the school entrance, or in the surrounding streets, and only in permitted parking spaces. On Žibertova Street in front of the temple, park only in the temple parking lots, leaving the others free for the neighbours. We absolutely do not park on the pavements, in unauthorised places, because in this case we will be forced to call the community police, who will hand out fines.
BEHAVIOUR AND SILENCE - We do not sit, socialize, speak loudly, chant, wait in cars with engine on, etc. on Zibertova Street or in front of the Temple. From now on security persons will be in charge of proper behaviour during Sunday programmes and festivals. Devotees who do not follow the rules and instructions will have to be restricted from entering the temple, which we hope will not happen.
It is also worth mentioning that even in the courtyard and in the tent, we must keep the volume of conversation at room volume, and that during kirtans, we do not open the temple windows and doors for ventilation, as we have a ventilation device. Anyone who may need more fresh air during kirtan should go outside the temple for a few minutes.
CHILDREN - Parents should take care of their children who are not allowed to run and scream freely in the courtyard and on Zibertova Street. Parents should, as much as possible, have their children with them, involve them in the spiritual program and organize each other and keep the children busy in the classroom, on the playground of a nearby school or in Tivoli. Otherwise, until we find and organise suitable solutions, the children should remain at home.
OTHER MEASURES - We will introduce other measures if necessary, which we are still discussing among ourselves and with neighbours.
All of the above apply primarily to attendance at festivals and Sunday programmes, but also sensibly to attendance at morning and evening programmes and to temple attendance in general.
Let us remember that as devotees in particular we are not controllers, owners and enjoyers of this world, but humble servants of the Lord, His devotees and all human beings and living entities. We are not so transcendental that we can violate social norms and laws, but as perfect ladies and gentlemen we should, generally, respect them.
Let us not by our actions create unnecessary agitation or even repulsion towards the devotees and our community, Srila Prabhupada and Krishna, and thus harm Lord Chaitanya's mission.
Let us try our best to show ourselves as cultured individuals and show due respect to our neighbors, and in this way offer them nice presentation of Krishna consciousness.
In anticipation of your understanding and following the instructions, we cordially welcome you and wish you a nice Radhashtami!
Yours in the service of Srila Prabhupada
GBC Representative,
NYP Temple Council,
NYP Community Council
Prahladananda Svami
Ananta Dasa
Lalita govinda Dasa
Devendra Gopala Dasa
Urukrama Dasa
Sravana Ramanija Devi Dasi
Nataka Candrika Devi Dasi
Durlabha Gaurahari Dasa
Mahalakshmi Dhama Devi Dasi
Taruni Sakhi Devi Dasi
Ljubljana, 22.9.2023
Nisem vedel, da je zadeva toliko resna. Parkiranje je najmanji problem, parkiraš drugam in je stvar rešena. Večji problem so otroci, ki jih je vse več ter hrupnost nasploh (kirtani, obiski, SF, fesstivali itd). Otroci imajo potrebo po nekoliko bolj dinamičnem druženju in jih je težko omejiti na učilnico. Glede na pridiganje in podeljeno število knjig je v prihodnje pričakovati še več obiskovalcev in posledično še več hrupa. Razen če si želimo omejiti število obiskovalcev? Rešitev je nova lokacija z večjo kapaciteto. Sliši se radikalno amapak izgleda, da smo prišli do te točke ko bo potrebno o tem resno razmišljati. Lp Nilambar dasa
OdgovoriIzbrišiAktualna problematika je res aktualna. Ampak bojim se da se bo reševalo na račun otrok, kar se mi zdi nesprejemljivo. Ali se tradicija globalnega ISKCONA sovraštva in zlorabe otrok nadaljuje na mikroravni? Ne govorim o spolnih zlorabah ampak do ustvarjanja okolja ki je otrokom neprijazen in odklonilen.
IzbrišiLp Kripa pala das
Hare Krishna.
OdgovoriIzbrišiZ vsem spoštovanjem. Tudi sama se strinjam, da nismo v ravno najbolj primernem okolju in če želimo zares zadovoljiti sosede, potem bi bilo najbolje (tudi zaradi drugih razlogov) resno razmisliti o menjavi lokacije. Za začetek samo preučiti možnosti...
Če otrokom ne bomo pustili vsaj malo razigranosti, ne bodo več želeli prihajati. To pa je sploh slab zgled našega vajšnavizma. No, kar pa ne pomeni, da so lahko občasno malenkost bolj umirjeni. Stalno pa ne bo šlo - tudi pred leti ni in tudi zdaj ne bo. Če to pomeni, da ne smemo več prihajati, potem pa tudi ne vem kaj se dogaja??
Vs Mohini Radha dasi
Hari Hari!
OdgovoriIzbrišiJe odgovornost za otroke na starših ali na templju? Najbolj naravno in realno je, da za otroke poskrbijo starši in da ne računajo na maloštevilčne tempeljske ali druge kongregacijske bhakte.
Očetje in mame otrok se lahko dodatno medsebojno povežejo, da med nedeljskimi programi in festivali primerneje poskrbijo za svoje otroke. Poleg lepih že obstoječih aktivnosti izobraževanj, dram, ipd lahko Izvajajo dodatne aktivnosti vključevanja v kirtane, otroških iger, ipd za otroke na način, da bo za otroke lepo poskrbljeno tokom celotnega programa. Mirnejše aktivnosti lahko potekajo v templju, glasnejše pa na igrišču bližnje šole ali v Tivoliju.
Starši se lahko iz tedna v teden menjavajo, tako da vsak par pride na vrsto na par tednov, ter takrat lepo služi otrokom, drugim staršem, sosedom in celotni skupnosti. Cel program po principu rotacije lahko koordinira bhakta, ki ga med seboj izberejo starši. Tako se lahko odgovornost in skrb za otroke lepo porazdeli.
Otroci tako dobijo poučno, veselo in varno izkušnjo duhovnosti , predavatelji in bhakte mirna predavanja, sosedov pa otroci ne vznemirjajo več.
Lp, Madan Kišor dasa
Problematika se ne rešuje na račun otrok ampak na račun staršev.
OdgovoriIzbrišiDobro bi bilo, da otroci odnesejo iz templja pozitivno izkušnjo, ki je drugačna od tiste, ki jo doživljajo povsod drugje. Za to je potrebno malo organizirane angažiranosti staršev.
Zdi se mi nesprejemljivo, da se odgovornost in vloga žrtve prenaša na otroke, namesto da bi mi odrasli sprejeli odgovornost in se potrudili v korist templa, sosedov, še najbolj pa otrok.
Kolikor zaznavam v sebi in se pogovarjam z drugimi, je nastalo precej različnih mnenj, trenj, celo čustvenih pretresov glede vsega tega.
OdgovoriIzbrišiPredlagala bi, da bi dali vsem, ki želijo, priložnost, da se izrazijo, povejo svoje mnenje, čustva, predloge in da se tako povežemo. Ali je kar vseeno, če bhakte odhajajo? Če je 4 dni potekalo usklajevanje s sosedi - bi morda lahko še znotraj skupnosti skupaj iskali rešitve?
In mimogrede - ste morda govorili s kakšnim odvetnikom, kako resna je sploh pravno zadeva?
Danes bi vsi radi ne vem kakšen mir. A, če živiš v Ljubljani tega pač ni. Kaj pa včasih, ko so se mulci non stop igrali zunaj na dvorišču pred bloki. Vedno je bil "šunder" in nihče ni kompliciral. Po eni strani bi radi otroke odvrnili od buljenja v ekrane, po drugi strani pa večini to odgovarja, ker imajo potem mir. Mi živimo na vasi (prej v bloku v centru), a tudi tu ni popolnoma mir. Seveda bi bila nova lokacija idealna, a vprašanje, če tudi tam ne bi bilo kakšnih težav. Doba Kali pač seka.
OdgovoriIzbriši